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TheLordOfBlah · Aug 13, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I doubt the people who were looking through to see who duped were told by gaile "BTW DONT BAN [X] and [Y]"

This only shows that they at least have a way of knowing who duplicated items.

I'm sure you two will get your accounts back soon enough, I wouldnt take it too hard right now considering all the crap theyre probably dealing with.

ShadowbaneX · Aug 13, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

It's not a case of punishing the innocent. How many people were involved in this exploit? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? That could be millions of armbraces floating around out there. You actually think that A.Net is going to go through and check all the millions of accounts looking for who did what, manually? No, as others have suggested, they ran a script and since these two accounts had registered as doing it, they were banned. That said I'm sure they will get unbanned as soon as it's discovered what has happened.

[DE] · Aug 13, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

What are you talking about?
True dupers? Hate to break it to you, but they 'truly' duped an item.

They broke the EULA and openly admitted it to be seen as heroes who found the glitch, that's a risk they took, and now they're being punished for it. If they weren't trying to be visible heroes they could have kept it private between them and anet.

The fact remains they broke the EULA without permission and have thus received an appropriate punishment.

If you break the EULA without permission in any circumstance, you deserve to suffer the consequences. You can not -expect- anet to give them special benefits. They deserve to be banned, and if anet decides to lift the ban, then its a gift to them.

Break the EULA and suffer the consequences, justice is blind and shows no bias.

I lol'd irl.

lakatz · Aug 13, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

What are you talking about?
True dupers? Hate to break it to you, but they 'truly' duped an item.

They broke the EULA and openly admitted it to be seen as heroes who found the glitch, that's a risk they took, and now they're being punished for it. If they weren't trying to be visible heroes they could have kept it private between them and anet.

The fact remains they broke the EULA without permission and have thus received an appropriate punishment.

If you break the EULA without permission in any circumstance, you deserve to suffer the consequences. You can not -expect- anet to give them special benefits. They deserve to be banned, and if anet decides to lift the ban, then its a gift to them.

Break the EULA and suffer the consequences, justice is blind and shows no bias.

I strongly suspect they aren't being punished. I suspect it was a 'flitered' ban, and they got caught in it like porpoise getting caught in a tuna net. I'm confident Gaile will attest to their dynamic duo crime-fighting efforts and free them from the tuna net.

EDIT:

Well I see Gaile posted (and so did a gazillion more people) when I was typing this and confirmed my suspicions.

ANOTHER EDIT:

I was just around looking at the bright side of this unfortunate ban on two very helpful players... at least all the people doing the duplicating of the high end stuff are banned as well.

Chaos Theory Pvp · Aug 13, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

More like the 27th Kanaxai as a reward... but i can see why it's happened at this point, noone was appointed to carry out such investigations, Gaile is not the programmer Etc etc...

spellsword · Aug 13, 2007, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Even if it is likely that they will get unbanned, they are unfairly banned now and might be banned for several days. They would have been better of not reporting it either way.

Bowstring Badass · Aug 13, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Banning someone for helping gg anet. Guess I know now not to report exploits being used in PvE to beat games...

TheSonofDarwin · Aug 13, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

We do not punish those who help us. We have absolutely no intention of doing so now.

But you have, as you said yourself in your post. Even if it's a temporary ban that will be resolved, it is still a punishment. Serving a day in jail and then being found innocent the next day and released is still a punishment. I understand that this was a broad sweep in order to save yourselves some hassle further down the road, but you must understand what a slap in the face even a punishment that may be resolved in an hour, tomorrow, or a few days is to people who were trying to help. You can be sure it will turn off people from helping you guys in the future, myself included. I've helped Anet with the RA exploits that occurred a long time ago. You can be assured that if I were temporarily banned for helping you guys the last place you'd ever see my IP visit is your support page.

You can tell these guys that their one day jail visit is just a vacation for the greater good. If you get them, and others to buy it, you were chosen well for your position. Underneath though, I think you can see how people outside Anet may view this in the future when an exploit is running rampant. Perhaps it would have been investigated by the community over a month ago when it was reported on the fan forums if people did not fear the repercussions. Perhaps.

Edit: And let me clarify. I don't think you guys did anything wrong. Broad sweep to minimize the problem, A.OK. But please, don't be ridiculous and try to say that these two are not being punished as a result of helping you guys.

Be honest, "Look guys, we recognize you were just helping. We recognize as a result of this you were banned. We're sorry we have to punish, even temporarily, the innocent as a result of a mistake that was purely our fault, but for the good of everyone it had to be done in this manner. We will do everything we can to unban those mistakingly punished. We apologize for this and hope that these unfortunate mistakes will not deter you from investigating and reporting exploits in the future."

Honesty and straightforwardness is the way to the heart of a community.

ShadowsRequiem · Aug 13, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

hmmm I'm just wondering what happens to the people who legitly traded items for the duped armbraces?

JeniM · Aug 13, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

hmmm I'm just wondering what happens to the people who legitly traded items for the duped armbraces?

Anet are not known for being just in their bans so they will likly see the armbraces and just ban people

GG Anet you're teaching great morals like :
if you see something bad happening, keep your head down and walk by

Enko · Aug 13, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

thanks for the response gaile. hopefully we can get this resolved.

Meo Yeong · Aug 13, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by JeniM

GG Anet you're teaching great morals like :
if you see something bad happening, keep your head down and walk by

sounds exactly the same as how they handle the bot issue and gold sellers lol

lyra_song · Aug 13, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeniM

Anet are not known for being just in their bans so they will likly see the armbraces and just ban people

GG Anet you're teaching great morals like :
if you see something bad happening, keep your head down and walk by

Dont make it sound like its easy to discern honest players from bad players.

This situation is like trying to stop the rain with your bare hands.

Theres a lot of innocent players who have no idea whats going on and merely buying armbraces cause they are so cheap.

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I have a friend who had her car fixed, and it turns out those parts were from a stolen car, which was bought unwittingly by the mechanic. After the police tracked it down, they impounded her car as evidence.

This situation sucks for everyone who is involved.

ShadowbaneX · Aug 13, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

All the A.Net hate in here is really making me sick. Some of you people really do like nothing better to kick people when they're down, don't you? There was a problem and they took steps to fix it. Some innocents got caught in those actions. This is regretable, but it had to happen. There's a loophole out there and the coders need to fix it. That means having an unthinking, scripted system in place (in addition to removing reconnects) in order to catch/prevent this from happening...otherwise they need to devote countless human resources to looking through logs of millions of accounts to find out who the offenders are. They did take the easy way (because the other way was the stupidly hard waste of time way) and in doing so did create a minor wrong. This minor wrong will be set right as soon as the problem is fixed.

But, why let that stop you. Sure just jump on the bandwagon and beat on A.Net for taking steps to solve the problem...

yesitsrob · Aug 13, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

I'm going to agree with Gaile here - don't be so dumb, this is a pretty major issue, and the fastest methods to try and lock down the problem should be taken - and I would thoroughly agree that that means people who have duped and have dealt with dupers no matter how innocent they may be.

It's a pretty serious issue and it should be completely understandable that such drastic measures may have to be taken in the process of fixing it.

GloryFox · Aug 13, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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posted by ShadowbaneX
All the A.Net hate in here is really making me sick. Some of you people really do like nothing better to kick people when they're down, don't you? There was a problem and they took steps to fix it. Some innocents got caught in those actions. This is regretable, but it had to happen. There's a loophole out there and the coders need to fix it. That means having an unthinking, scripted system in place (in addition to removing reconnects) in order to catch/prevent this from happening...otherwise they need to devote countless human resources to looking through logs of millions of accounts to find out who the offenders are. They did take the easy way (because the other way was the stupidly hard waste of time way) and in doing so did create a minor wrong. This minor wrong will be set right as soon as the problem is fixed.

But, why let that stop you. Sure just jump on the bandwagon and beat on A.Net for taking steps to solve the problem...

You have my vote for the winning post on this situation. Don't worry guys your accounts will be re activated soon enough and you got street cred from the community,,, that means something.

Meanwhile take a step back and relax a bit.

Nurse With Wound · Aug 13, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Gaile you know what really happened, and who was sending you the messages about the dupe hax, early in the Euro morning. You have those, their content, and I have confidence that both Fenix and Enko will get their accounts unbanned asap, and you will take part in their unbanning. I mean you have all the proofs - they were only testing.

Crotalus · Aug 13, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Now I heard that Enko's account is banned. Fenix is offline, probably asleep.

They used their main account to test/find an exploit?

gg intelligence

Symeon · Aug 13, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

They used their main account to test/find an exploit?

gg intelligence

Actually, Enko did the testing on his two mule accounts, which were the ones banned. He did no testing on his main account.

Bryant Again · Aug 13, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I can understand something like this happening, and yes I'd be a little ticked. What would be very concerning and annoying is if they asked "will we get banned for this"?, and the answer was "no you won't get banned for this." If that happened, yea I'd be pretty pissed. Don't know what happened, though.